For this end of year posting we interviewed Antonio C.
Martinez II., Attorney, Political Consultant, and Editor of USCubaPolitics.com
to discuss the historical moments of December 2014 and what bodes next for Cuba policy in the
U.S. Congress, the Obama Administration, and the 2016 elections on the
horizon:
1. In light of the announcement of December
17th of the restoration of diplomatic relations what is likely to
happen in the 114th Congress?
On May 2, 2012, we published here “The Freedom of Alan Gross
and The Cuban Five” which was a dramatic portrayal of events forecasted in the
future. (see http://www.uscubapolitics.com/2012/05/united-states-cuba-relations-freedom-of.html ) I was very pleased that
the envisioned scenario then pretty much played out in real life two and half years
later. I understand now why the
White House did not acknowledge the letter I had sent it earlier this year
outlining this scenario. Alan Gross came back home to his family. The remaining three of the Cuban Five
went home to theirs. One of them
will be a new father to a baby girl soon thanks to the humanitarian effort of
Senator Patrick Leahy (D-Vt) and his staff. The Cuban government also released political prisoners and
freed a Cuban intelligence officer who had served the CIA and sent him to the
United States. So there was a
balance in the actual deal.
2. Why did President Obama take this
action?
I believe he wisely chose to take a principled stand to end
our incongruent and hypocritical foreign policy. He clearly saw that it was time to do a reset of our
relations with Cuba. The crisis of
Alan Gross’ and the Cuban Five’s imprisonment gave the opening to transform the
relationship. The “adults in the
room” prevailed. That began with providing immediate relief to the individuals
caught in the sordid web that has been our relations with Cuba. Emotional maturity prevailed. Logic and reason prevailed.
This was a correction of the flawed narrative that had
developed on U.S. Cuba relations—that somehow we could force Cuba to change its
way of government and its political leadership through sanctions by a policy
driven by Cuban Americans here in the U.S. and using the U.S. taxpayer to
support it. More than one billion
tax dollars have been spent on our failed U.S. Cuba policies. Billions more have been lost by both
countries. By extension, it was like the Cuban Revolution of 1959 never ended
but was carried over between Miami and Havana via Washington DC. A valuable lesson has been
learned. Political and
economic isolation to achieve regime change does not work and in Latin America
is just more salt in the wounds of our dark history as a country that supports
coups and installing our preferred dictators. Latin America wants partnership with the United States, not
to be its client. The sooner we
embrace the notion, the better the entire hemisphere will be.
President Obama seized the opportunity to make history as
being the U.S. President that restored diplomatic relations with Cuba after
more than five decades and began the process of ending the embargo. I believe we will see more history made
in the remaining two years of his term.
3. Cuban dissidents feel the U.S. betrayed
them by this act of recognizing the Cuban government. Was this a betrayal?
President Obama did not betray anyone. He was acting in the strategic and best
interests of the United States, which is what his job is to do. He chose not to continue a policy that
does not work. When more Americans
go to Cuba to visit now, they will discover for themselves the challenges that
the Cuban people face and compare it to what they had been told as part of the
narrative. Through the natural ebb
and flow of travel and trade, we will be able to positively influence Cuba
instead of trying to interfere with it.
4. At the time of this interview, the
Cuban government shut down the proposed #YoTambienExijo public demonstration in
Havana that was to occur on December 30, 2014 and arrested or detained
organizers. Could acts like this
sabotage the normalization process?
Possibly.
However, lets look at what happened. The White House has rightfully condemned these events. I would say to our Cuban friends, what
are you afraid of by having an open microphone in a public square and letting
your citizens speak their minds freely without fear of arrest or
harassment? I believe the Cubans
perceive any sort of demonstration that is connected to Cuban Americans and
this one has such a connection is a contrived and orchestrated event organized
indirectly by the United States. You have to understand the history that
is involved here. The Cubans won’t tolerate what they perceive is interference
from foreigners. So instead of an act of airing grievances and aspirations, to
them it is somehow inauthentic because of the U.S. connections. I recall something that I was told when
I have been in Cuba, that there are actually two dissident movements. There is one that is relatively a small
group of people who rely on U.S. support and do not have an audience or major
following on the island. Then
there is a much larger dissident movement which reflects the majority of the
population. It is tired and frustrated by the limitations imposed upon them by
their own government and the U.S. embargo. We must not allow events like this to drive this
normalization effort off course.
There will probably be efforts to divert the normalization effort from
its conclusion. We just need to get ourselves out of the way and extend the
hand of friendship and we will be able to positively influence Cuba for the
better. There is a Cuban saying,
“todo se consigue por las buenas” or “you can better get what you want through goodwill".
5. What is likely to happen in the new 114th
Congress and Republican Majority?
Senators Marco Rubio (R-Fl), Rafael Eduardo “Ted” Cruz (R-Tx), Robert Menendez (D-NJ),
Reps. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-Fl), Mario Diaz-Balart (R-Fl), Albio Sires (D-NJ),
and newly elected Rep. Carlos Curbelo (R-Fl) all have gone on record as being
against lifting the embargo and the establishment of diplomatic relations. They have stated they intend to block
and obfuscate all efforts to allow these relations to develop through
Congressional action. They may get
some traction and trade their votes on issues with other members for support
for theirs on Cuba, but in the long run, their unprincipled and hypocritical
stands will come out and that will be why they ultimately fail. If I were a U.S. Senator who supports
President Obama’s initiative with Cuba, I would have a series of amendments to
offer during the debate.
These would be amendments to call on cutting off diplomatic relations
and trade with every country that we say is autocratic, communist, or violates
human rights. I would also ask on
the floor of these Members when was the last time they visited Havana? Every member of the press and
media should be asking the same questions of any Member of Congress. When were you last in Havana,
Cuba? This will drive home the
point that if they are going to vote on U.S. Cuba issues, how can they properly
arrive at an informed, independent, judgment without even first visiting the
country? The hardliners will have
more success in the House because of the rules of that body of Congress limit
amendments, but all Members can speak on the floor.
6. What can the average person who
supports normalization and lifting the embargo can do with respect to Congress?
-The single most important thing you can do as a constituent
is request that your Senators and Representative in Congress personally visit
Cuba to assess the sanctions and whether the embargo should be lifted. The more Members of Congress who
visit Cuba will likely arrive at the same conclusion that is the overwhelming majority
of those who visit Cuba. The
embargo has not worked and it should be lifted as quickly as possible. Engagement is better than isolation. This constituent inoculation should
help stave off the dark influence of political money and hamstringing in
Congress that will go on to stop normalization.
-Work with groups who support this kind of grassroots
activity. I had been particularly
critical of some of these groups and NGOs as to their effectiveness. However, their efforts cumulatively
helped move the normalization debate in the right direction and I have to
acknowledge and recognize their contributions.
-Because there is pro-embargo/anti-engagement campaign money
circulating, the pro-normalization side must step up its political game
too. Cuban American moderates led
by groups like CAFÉ and CubaNow should evolve politically to lead voter registration efforts
in New Jersey and Florida. There
must be commitments made to candidates who support engagement and lifting the
embargo. The opposition is
marshalling its forces in Congress and on the campaign trail. The challenge out there for 2016 will
be which side of the Cuban American electorate can deliver votes and money and
most importantly determine the election?
7. What were the take away lessons from
the November 2014 elections with respect to U.S. Cuba relations?
There were two elections of import to the issue. The first was the Florida Governor’s
race. The second was the
Garcia-Curbelo Congressional race in the 26th CD in Florida. While pro-engagement candidate Charlie
Crist did receive the majority of the Cuban American vote in the election, it
was not enough to get him to victory. So there is the lesson of delivering votes and money
again, but more importantly being a determining factor in an election
outcome.
Joe Garcia ran a flawed campaign and entered into it hobbled
by scandals around him concerning his staff. His U.S. Cuba policy flaws were several. He was half pregnant on the issue
of Cuba, supporting travel and engagement but also supporting the embargo. He ran a political ad with a Cuban
dissident which probably was not a smart move. He allied himself with his political enemies. Why would he ever allow himself to be
photographed with Mario Diaz-Balart or Ileana Ros Lehtinen, when those two were
only thinking about how to defeat Garcia from the moment he was first sworn in?
Carlos Curbelo had the advantage then in the race. However, he has no independence of
thought on Cuba as he is owned by the hardliners and his family history on this issue. He has never been to Cuba himself so
how can he ever objectively determine if sanctions work? He is trapped by history and apparent
ignorance. He intends to make
fighting President Obama on Cuba the hallmark of his freshman term. We will see if that was a wise
political move.
If Garcia challenges Curbelo in a rematch or whoever
challenges Curbelo in 2016, my advice to the candidate is go all in on
Cuba. Spend these next two years
creating and seeding jobs in the district related to Cuba opening. In Florida there is going to be an
economic multiplier because of the Cuba opening. Let Curbelo’s intransigence be his weakness at the ballot box
in November 2016.
8. What about the issues of American fugitives
in Cuba? Governor Chris Christie (R-NJ) recently called upon President Obama to
demand the extradition of Joanne Chesimard from Cuba.
In the scenario I wrote in May 2012, the return of American
fugitives was part of the bargain that was struck. The reality is more complicated. The benefit of having normal relations is that we can have
an extradition treaty in place between both countries. I hope Governor Christie actually
studies the history of this issue more as he will discover that New Jersey was
once a hotbed of Cuban American related violence and bombing in the late 70’s
and early 80’s. There is even a
still unsolved murder of one Cuban American from Hudson County, NJ named
Eulalio Negrin, whose offense at the time was his support and efforts to
reconcile Cubans and travel to Cuba to visit relatives. There is information that requires
intervention at the highest levels to get released that could help solve
another murder, of a Cuban American killed in Puerto Rico, Carlos Muniz Varela. The other challenge we have is that we
have given refuge to Cubans who were involved with the downing of a Cuban
airliner in 1976 and other acts of sabotage and terror in Cuba. So it is a complicated conversation.
Hopefully we will work out something with the Cubans where
there will be no more fugitives. I
think whatever fugitives we can get extradited back to face justice ie. those
recently involved with Medicare fraud,
we should pursue that in the negotiations.
9. What happens to the Cuban Adjustment Act (CAA)?
It can no longer be justified. Democrats should offer amendments on immigration bills that
would provide the same benefits of the CAA to America’s twelve million undocumented
immigrants who are already here.
Why shouldn’t the wet foot dry foot policy apply to them too? The CAA is essentially legal amnesty
now. Anti-immigrant Republicans
will have a hard time reconciling the CAA which creates a pathway to
citizenship for Cubans, but not support legislation that does the same for
others, especially Hispanic immigrants.
As for Cubans who truly face political persecution, there is
ample authority under current law to provide political asylum.
10. What about claims and reparations for
nationalized properties?
This is going to be complicated. However it should be solved with creativity and
flexibility. The capital to
pay off claims must be raised. So
the issue will be how to do that in a mutually beneficial way. As much as we will ask the
Cubans how they intend to compensate our claims, I am wondering what we are
going to hear from the Cubans on the other side of this. History will come into the
conversations. For example, most
do not know that when Cuban dictator Fulgencio Batista was overthrown in 1959,
he and members of his government and their families took with them approximately one billion
dollars from the Cuban Treasury at the time. Allegedly more than $464 million of those monies were deposited in
U.S. bank accounts. What happens
to that stolen money? So as we
claim for properties that were stolen or taken from Americans, Cubans are going
to ask the same of us. Both sides
will need to get past this history.
11. What happens in Cuba next?
With diplomatic and normal relations, things should
improve. Justifications for repression and siege
mentality in Cuba should begin to lift.
I am confident that Cubans will figure it out. There are 11 million people living
on the island and about 3 million abroad, most in the United States and with
great economic power to bear on the island. So you have an interesting demographic situation where a
nation finds twenty percent of its people reside abroad. Reconciliation of the Cuban family and
nation should be the focus, in spite of whatever anyone thinks about the Castros. We made U.S. Cuba relations about the Castros and where
did that get us? Better as
Cuba’s friend and respectful of their sovereignty we can actually influence
them and offer them our counsel and opinions and work together where we can to
increase economic activity and solve medical and scientific challenges.
We do not have to do much for people to know that pluralism
of ideas is the natural order of man’s thinking and exists. It must be tolerated in a truly free
society. Also we must show that
political power should circulate. Do the Castros really want their legacy to be
that they established a dynasty of autocratic power in Cuba, which would be
contrary to everything they said was about their Cuban Revolution? One benefit of stopping our own
hypocrisy is that congruency allows one to point out hypocrisy elsewhere with
integrity. In the air of normal
relations, I believe Cuba will be fully open to and explore the question – can
their economy be saved with more capitalism added to it? I think the answer is yes, provided that
it springs from a Cuban and not any foreigner. That does not mean that we cannot stimulate
conversation or show examples to drive the point across. Political and economic extremes are not
useful and are actually self destructive to the society. So instead of rubbing it in their
faces, which no one likes, we can have more rational and intelligent
conversations about how peoples and nations can progress.
12. What are the next evolutions of President
Obama’s U.S. Cuba agenda?
I think the next rounds of conversations that we will have
with Cuba will continue to be productive.
Assistant Secretary of State for the Western Hemisphere Roberta Jacobson
will lead those negotiations at the end of January. That should lead to a historic Summit of the Americas in
April. I predict a Presidential
visit to Havana is in store before President Obama leaves office. 2015 will be another historic year for
U.S. Cuba relations.
______________________________
“We enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of
thought” – John F Kennedy.
“Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all
nations...entangling alliances with none” – Thomas Jefferson
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